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Episode 35 - Payment Systems

PodcastAnalysis updated 3d ago54 min listen

Highlights

  • Quarter machines cost $1,500-$6,000 new; ATMs cost similarly ($2,000-$6,000)
  • Dollar bill acceptors for individual games cost $150-$250 per unit
  • Tokens typically cost operators 15 cents per unit; purchased from bank quarters cost 25 cents
  • Wedgehead switched from cash/tokens to Rain City Free Play four years ago
  • Ground Control (Portland arcade) uses card system with games priced 66 cents to $1.00
  • Large arcade conversions to card systems can cost over $100,000 in total infrastructure
  • Card system vendors intentionally use non-transparent credit-to-dollar conversion to obscure pricing
  • People steal from arcades by exchanging tokens from one venue in another venue's machines
  • Token mech replacements cost $15-$45 per machine; purchasing different-size mechs doubles the cost per game
  • Cash-based systems require significant labor: coin box emptying, counting, change machine refilling, ATM restocking

Notable quotes

I'm basically just carrying around pinball cash at any given point.
Alex
You go spend twenty dollars it gives you forty five hundred credits or some shit... that's not dollars it's not like none of this... they turn the money into an arbitrary system where you have no idea what you're paying
Alex
I think that it's got to be a thing where the people that make these card reader systems, the salespeople, they're trying to sell the business... they're trying to be like, oh, but this is going to make you so much more money. And here's one of the ways to do it is don't let them know that one dollar and you get four credits.
Alan
If you're just stopping by somewhere... you don't want to have to deal with any other bullshit you want to just like you don't want to have to load a card you don't even really want to have to make tokens usually
Alex
As soon as a person buys five dollars of tokens from you you're already making money even if they walk out of the place and they forget that they ever came there and they throw the five dollars of tokens away, you're already up.
Alex
When you go to card systems most of them you spend 20 and it'll assign you any arbitrary credit number they can set it up... my biggest gripe with the cards is that they intentionally make it difficult to track those numbers
Alex
I really don't care there because their games are cheap enough. I'm not worried about it at all. They're not like scalping me. It's just confusing.
Alex
It's like you're just spending so much time just changing shit around like moving this shit around... it feels very arbitrary it feels like a shell game
Alex
I kind of like them... I always, when I visit arcades that I don't, like that aren't in my town or whatever, I always keep tokens from them.
Alex
When you're a regular pinball player, anyone listening to this podcast is. You're going to get it back. You're going to get it back.
Alex

Entities

  • Dave and Buster's· company
  • Alan· person
  • Alex· person
  • Megan· person
  • Rodsey· person
  • Rain City Free Play· product
  • Al's· venue
  • Ground Control· venue
  • Wedgehead· venue
  • Yukon Tavern· venue

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