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Episode 115 - The Age of Desperation and Innovation: Gottlieb System 80A

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Highlights

  • Devil's Dare sold 3,800 units and was the most successful System 80A game
  • Devil's Dare was the first game with a multiball restart feature
  • Caveman was the first hybrid pinball-video game, predating Baby Pac-Man
  • Rocky sold 1,500 units and was Marc Trudeau's first Gottlieb design credit
  • Spirit (1,200 units produced) appears to have been primarily distributed to Europe, making US examples rare reimports
  • Spirit is considered by many older solid-state Gottlieb collectors to be the definitive game of the System 80A era
  • Goin' Nuts is a canceled prototype with only ~10 copies made; one is publicly playable at the Pinball Hall of Fame in Vegas
  • Black Hole's designer credit is disputed between 'Adolf Seitz Jr..' and 'Shing Lam' across databases, with possibility of pseudonym use

Notable quotes

Gottlieb was the king of pinball for decades. They had the designers, they had the artists, they had the build quality, most importantly, they had the sales. But they did not have the foresight to see what an impact solid state technology would have on the industry.
Alan
I think it's appropriate to say the 80s were a bit of a mess for Gottlieb, but historically, when pinball companies got in trouble, it leads to some very interesting games. They start throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
Alex
It's the Cadillac of the ADAs. Yeah it is loaded dope art package... There can't be one that's heavier than this. That made it to production.
Alex and Alan discussing Spirit
I love that. That's the best shit. Cause it adds like tension to the like single ball element, it's great, it just works perfect.
Alan
If this was like not Rocky themed, if it was knockoff Rocky, like the Gottliebs I love, you know, when they're clear knockoffs and it was like $1,000, I'd be like, oh, this thing's cool as hell. I'd be giving it a stick. With all that context, I'm giving it a plop.
Alex
People have been clamoring for an ADA episode. I like this era of goofy shit.
Alan
It's one of the canceled games that you think actually had potential. I think this game is fun as hell. It's very... It's a gimmick. Like it's a time-based game... constant multiball. You're trying your squirrel trying to get all your nuts.
Alan on Going Nuts
You wonder if it's like a pseudonym, like they tried to adopt a more anglicized, a whiter name. They were an Asian designer working in the industry at this time
Alex

Entities

  • Coca-Cola· company
  • Gottlieb· company
  • Mylstar· company
  • Stern Pinball· company
  • Baby Pac-Man· game
  • Black Hole· game
  • Black Knight· game
  • Caveman· game
  • Devil's Dare· game
  • Going Nuts· game
  • Kroll· game
  • Punk· game
  • Rocky· game
  • Spirit· game
  • Striker· game
  • Alan· person
  • Alex· person
  • David Moore· person
  • Doug Watson· person
  • John Burris· person
  • Marc Trudeau· person
  • Terry Dorzapf· person
  • Tom Safransky· person
  • Pinball Hall of Fame· venue
  • Wedgehead Pinball· venue

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