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We Are Pinball #48 BOF CEO David Van Es Joins WAP!!

PodcastAnalysis updated 2d ago2 hr 10 min listenBy WAP

Highlights

  • Winchester Mystery House sold out within 24 hours of announcement (by 3 p.m. on Tuesday)
  • Barrels of Fun produced exactly 525 units of Winchester, corresponding to the house's street address (525 Winchester Boulevard)
  • The original production run was planned for 666 units but changed due to marketing concerns about the number being perceived as cursed
  • Dune code updates significantly improved the game, adding full assets, music, callouts, and animations that were missing at launch
  • Over 300 Dune units have shipped as of the conversation timing
  • Barrels of Fun intentionally avoids multi-game yearly releases to avoid market saturation and maintain product pride
  • Dune's theme leaked before official announcement, which negatively impacted early market reception
  • Carl D'Angelo was discovered through his Labyrinth streaming and homebrew work on FAST Slack before being recruited as Winchester designer

Notable quotes

We just, I mean, we didn't extend it to sell it as quickly as it did. I have banners that I can't use now that has a QR code. It says buy Winchester.
David Van Ness
I probably shouldn't be a manufacturer because I'm a collector at heart, okay? I build games. I sell games that in three to four years after we've launched the game, good luck trying to find it, because when they get into the home of collectors, hopefully they'll fall in love with it, and I'll never move from the collection.
David Van Ness
What I missed as a collector was the opportunity to have that day when Stern would drop a game like Tron or Rolling Stones. These are games I remember coming out. We had no idea. And we were on RPG and stuff like that. And there was nothing more awesome. It's Christmas Day, you know, and you get to see something you totally didn't expect.
David Van Ness
Market research shows that if you look at just the demographics of Dune, it's actually a bullseye for the pinball industry, for the pinball buying community. It is male, 45 to 55. It's exactly where the pinball demographic is.
David Van Ness
60% of the media people that turned up including Donnie had not seen the films... this is labyrinth, no one wanted labyrinth no one wanted Winchester now that we have the data but Dune, if you look it on paper is far superior to both those IPs
David Van Ness
If you're into pinball, you know who Carl is. Like, he is an ambassador for pinball that has done it. It's just like Bowen Kerins. Like, there are people out in this hobby that do it because they love it so much and they want to express it in some form, right?
David Van Ness
I was scared to know that he bought a Labyrinth because he's such a good player so if anyone's going to find a problem with my game it's going to be Carl so I was terrified
David Van Ness
I didn't intend to make it for pinball players, but the day that we let kids play it publicly and I realized they're getting their ass handed to them, I was like, oh, this is not good because they can't experience it that well.
David Van Ness
Winchester and I'll even say Beetlejuice has proven, that if you make the right game, it doesn't matter. Like, it's been the market, the industry has been extremely soft. And I can tell you, if you make the right product with the right amount of passion and the right number, people will come.
David Van Ness

Entities

  • Barrels of Fun· company
  • Pinball Expo· event
  • Beetlejuice· game
  • Dune Pinball· game
  • Labyrinth· game
  • Star Wars (Data East)· game
  • Winchester Mystery House· game
  • Electric Bat Arcade· organization
  • FAST Slack· organization
  • We Are Pinball· organization
  • Winchester Mystery House (real location)· organization
  • Bowen Kerins· person
  • Brad Albright· person
  • Carl D'Angelo· person
  • David Van Ness· person
  • Don (Donnie)· person
  • Genghis· person
  • Keith Elwin· person

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