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Triple Drain Pinball Podcast Ep 9: A Wild Dennis Kriesel Appeared!
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riple Drain Pinball Podcast Episode 9: A Wild Dennis Kriesel Appeared! Hosts: Joel Engelberth, Tom Graf, & Travis Murie Special Guest/Extra Ball+: Dennis Kriesel (Eclectic Gamers Podcast, The...
Highlights
- Chicago Gaming Company's Cactus Canyon presentation at Expo was poorly executed: they announced without preparing, forgot to mention special edition pricing, and presenter Ryan had to check his phone for what he could say.
- CGC's SE Plus pricing strategy leverages licensing terms: Planetary receives a higher percentage kickback on accessories vs. games, so packaging the topper with the SE as a 'Plus' edition and selling it at LE price actually costs Planetary less than selling the topper separately.
- Pinball market has shifted dramatically since COVID: new wealthy collectors with no prior hobby experience are buying 15+ machines (mostly LE/Premium), driving unsustainable price increases.
- A Mando LE new-in-box sold for $18,000 last week on the secondary market.
- Pinball Expo's free play area was disappointing; only the vendor section was a real highlight. Charging for the lecture hall while simultaneously live-streaming it for free online was poor decision-making.
- Zach Minney created the Cactus Canyon reveal sizzle reel in ~30 hours after being told about it just days before Expo; spent much of that time on the smoke transition effect.
- SE Plus at LE price does not devalue LE; it actually increased LE secondary market value by $2,000-$4,000 because people now see the SE Plus as the budget option.
- Tournament streaming at Expo was technically excellent; Tom's setup was praised. However, he had to intervene early the next morning to prevent crew from breaking down classics games needed for morning tournament stream.
Notable quotes
“Expo is not a particularly well-run event in my view... I guess if you're wanting a nutshell summary, it was nice to meet and get together with a lot of pinball folks... But from the decision to charge for their lecture hall while they were live streaming it for free online to a pretty disappointing free play area, I'd say only the vendor section was really a highlight.”
“It was almost like they were saying a lot of words in a short amount of time without really saying anything. Like we weren't really getting any information at all.”
“If there would be an industry-wide impact based off of if the SE Plus actually does well on sales... Imagine a world where the only difference between the SE Plus and the LE is the SE Plus is the same exact price, and it's a regular SE with a topper as an LE. And then Stern's just like, all right, we're going to start selling premiums at the LE price because you all do it.”
“There is a crazy influx of just new people in the hobby with a lot of money behind them... people that didn't even start in the hobby until after everything shut down, and they just started summer 2020, and they already have 15-plus games.”
“I know for a fact a Mando LE new in box just sold for $18,000 last week. What? New in box, yes. So there are people out there... when you have a $5 million home, you don't care. You just, you do not care. And you want the game and you want it now.”
“There are people trying to get into this hobby. And they're like, I can't get in it. Like, I cannot afford to get into this hobby right now. There's no used pins that are in a decent price range.”
“When you bought the LE, was the topper a deciding factor or no? ...The topper, it was part of it. It was the fact that the arms move in both directions, right, like a realistic direction and an unrealistic direction.”
“Tom, you won. You're a winner, Tom. You won, man. You're a winner.”
Entities
- Chicago Gaming Company (CGC)· company
- Planetary· company
- Tilt· company
- Midwest Gaming Classics· event
- Pinball Expo· event
- Pinball Museum Auction· event
- Back to the Future (Data East)· game
- Cactus Canyon· game
- Godzilla· game
- Mando· game
- IGN Article· media
- Eclectic Gamers Podcast (EGP)· organization
- Flipper Arcade· organization
- Pinball Show (TPS)· organization
- Triple Drain Pinball Podcast· organization
- Dennis Kriesel· person
- Dennis Kriesel· person
- Dwight· person
- Joel· person
- Neil· person
- Tom· person
- Travis Murie· person
- Zach Minney· person
- Cactus Canyon SE Plus· product
- Josh Lyman Code· product
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