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Episode 92 - Zombie TBLs

PodcastAnalysis updated 2d ago1 hr 42 min listenBy Dennis Kriesel & Tony Kurkowski
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Pinball: In pinball news, the guys see a revival of a zombie topic: Dutch Pinball and The Big Lebowski (driven by a conclusion to the ARA lawsuit). Beyond this, they discuss Guns N' Roses musician...

Highlights

  • Dutch Pinball settled their lawsuit with ARA and agreed to pay ARA in exchange for receiving all Dutch Pinball-related machines and parts stored in ARA's warehouse
  • Yop, Dutch Pinball co-founder/associate, has terminal metastatic cancer with no treatment options available
  • Early Achievers (pre-orderers who paid $8,500 directly to Dutch Pinball) were not given right of first refusal on the 40 machines recovered from ARA
  • The 40 recovered machines are now priced at $12,500 through Cointaker and Nitro Pinball
  • Dutch Pinball intends to deliver machines to early achievers while simultaneously selling new machines to generate liquidity to avoid bankruptcy
  • Dennis and Tony have been among the earliest voices predicting Dutch Pinball's path toward failure
  • Early Achievers originally paid $8,500 but are unlikely to receive machines at that price point given current financial circumstances

Notable quotes

Following this awful news, Yap and I discussed what we would do with Dutch Pinball and his involvement as an associate. We decided that it would be in Yap's best interest to step away from the company to avoid a complicated situation in the future.
Barry (Dutch Pinball, via newsletter read by Dennis)
I contacted the person directly involved without attorneys and after a long discussion and some negotiations we have for the first time in years reached an agreement.
Barry (Dutch Pinball, via newsletter)
Because I'm not sure they have the information on who all is an early achiever. And it's not really on them to ask for that information. And the reason why I'm noting all of that is because Barry is presenting this still pie-in-the-sky notion that everyone who pre-ordered is still going to get their game for the $8,500 that they paid. This is not going to happen.
Dennis
Like we've always said, like I've always said, Dutch is done and the early adopters are getting f***ed again, continuously.
Tony
they're getting the machines done from random Joe China company that has never made a pinball machine before. And who knows what kind of quality is going to be rolling out of the factories.
Tony
I don't know if Zytec will even deal with them because they aborted working with Zytec once the lawsuit came from Aura. And so Zytec might be a bit pissed that they did all this prototyping and probably didn't get paid for it.
Dennis
I think this is false hope, and it strings people along, and I think it damages them more emotionally later than it would. It's the rip the Band-Aid off, don't slowly peel it, and we'll get to experience every little hair coming up with it sort of thing.
Dennis

Entities

  • ARA· company
  • Cointaker· company
  • Dutch Pinball· company
  • Nitro Pinball· company
  • Zytec· company
  • Big Lebowski· game
  • Barry· person
  • Dennis· person
  • Mr68· person
  • Tony· person
  • Yop· person

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